Melancholy Coaching Podcast
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Melancholy Coaching Podcast
A Path Of Resilience, Strength And Creativity - Meet Tammy
✨ Hello, I'm Fran your NLP coach, and in this episode I'm interviewing Tammy Grigg about her path of resilience.
Meet Tammy — a resilient mom of four who escaped an abusive relationship and found strength through her journey of rebuilding. Opening her own craft shop was a turning point that boosted her confidence and empowerment. Her inspiring story will motivate you to overcome anything.
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Hello everyone, welcome to the Melancholy Coaching Podcast. I'm Fran, your host and NLP coach. Join me as I interview inspiring business owners and self-improvement seekers about their experiences, while delving into personal development, motivation and strategies for overcoming challenges. Let's ignite our creative potential together.
Fran:Hello and welcome to the Melancholy Coaching Podcast. I'm Fran, your NLP coach, and I'm really pleased to introduce an inspiring and motivational guest, a resilient single mum of four. Tammy's journey is truly inspiring. Tammy escaped an abusive relationship nine years ago. Opening her own craft shop played a pivotal role in giving her the confidence to stand up for herself and rebuild her life. Now, as a utility warehouse partner, she gained the freedom to pursue her passions and empower others. Tammy also runs a community group dedicated to helping people discover the transformative power of craft to improve their lives. Just for transparency, tammy and I have known each other for quite a while. Tammy, welcome to the show. Hello, old friend. Hello, old friend. So just for context with that, sometimes I interview people that I've connected with online and I don't actually know them in person or I've just encountered them. So you know, all these connections are very welcome, but you and I have already known each other for a very long time it's a precious friendship, that's for sure, lovely.
Fran:Thank you. The way this podcast is going to go is that I've got three main questions to ask you, because I like to work from a template, so I like a bit of structure in my life. So I've got three main questions and we'll talk around that, if that's OK with you. Amazing, okay with you, amazing. So the first question I've got for you is can you share more about how opening your craft shop helped you find the confidence to rebuild your life after escaping an abusive relationship?
Tammy:yeah, of course I. I've always loved craft, for many, many years made cards since my daughter was tiny, she's 22. And my friends suggested that I come into the craft shop with them and set this craft shop up and I was very excited. But I actually didn't ask my husband's permission because I had a feeling, I think, deep down, that he would have said no and it wouldn't have happened. So when I did it it I was just so empowered by being able to do something that I was good at. I would walk into the shop first thing in the morning and I would literally go because it was a relief to be there, away from the home life, that I didn't actually realize how toxic it was.
Tammy:And it wasn't until one of my friends started working for me and she realized that everything had been locked down on the computer and she said you're, you know your husband is treating you like a child and I started to realize little bits.
Tammy:And then I had a little bit of a breakdown and social services got involved to help me deal with my son, who I thought that was the problem. But it wasn't just the problem, and they had a conversation with me and asked some searching questions and finances came up, and I just mentioned that, oh, I was only allowed between 40 and 60 pounds a week for food, and they looked at each other and raised their eyebrows and my initial thought was oh my goodness, they think I'm complaining about nothing as well wasn't until the next week when one of them came back to start work with me and she said we think you're being abused, and that thought had never, ever crossed my mind. It wasn't until I went on the women's aid website that I could see there were lots of traits in my marriage behaviors that were so, so wrong, but I had just accepted them as that's the way life was so yeah, so by that with abuse I'm trauma informed.
Fran:I'm not an expert, just for clarity on that. But with abuse there are different types of abuse that then have a lot of like kind of sub bits to them. So you know, physical, emotional, psychological, these are all forms of abuse and to be emotionally controlled. Possibly maybe there was gaslighting involved and you didn't realise, and that is all forms of abuse. But when we're so close to something it's hard to see that. When it becomes your normal or it becomes almost your safe place because you're so used to it. So anything outside of that is not the norm, is it?
Tammy:yeah, yeah, when I went on the freedom program I thought at the beginning of the course that perhaps he was one of maybe two of the different types of men that they portray in the booklet and by the end of the course I realized he was actually all of them. Some abuses I didn't even realise even existed and it was hard. It was hard to realise but before I even escaped I sought help from my church. I didn't believe in divorce and didn't believe in suicide and I literally had to say to my vicar you know, know, I have to do one of those things and unfortunately he thought that having a meeting with me and my husband would, would solve it all little. Did he realize I wasn't able to speak up in front of him because the the afterwards I would have been punished for speaking against?
Fran:him, against him, yeah and you knew that. So this was a desperate situation. Yeah, this was a desperate situation. That again, no judgment for the church. However, at that particular time, that particular moment, with that particular, I presume, vicar, you found no support.
Tammy:There wasn't. They weren't trained, they didn't. I mean, how do you train someone on what to expect, because every relationship is just so different, but there needs to be more training in different people's experiences.
Fran:Any training starts with awareness in the beginning, doesn't it? It has to be born from somewhere, so it starts with an awareness, and if either that particular church in general or just that particular place doesn't have the awareness that some people can't use their voices or they are being controlled, then the training won't happen it just made me feel very cut off from the church, but my shop was my safe space yeah, which is unfortunate because I should imagine that up until then, your faith played a big part in your life.
Fran:So where does your faith play a part in your life now?
Tammy:Well, faith had ultimately brought my husband and I together, but I felt shunned by the church, and it was only the fact that my daughters wanted to get confirmed a few months ago that I actually set foot in church again, and it was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do, especially as it was the church where he still went and where this drama almost had played out behind closed doors. It was very difficult. I almost felt as if they had sided with my ex-husband, because he had been this amazing person that was so helpful to everybody and what I was saying. How on earth could that be true?
Fran:it's in a different context. You know. That's why and that's that's the thing that can that can hurt greatly when somebody that is abusive to us is is liked and revered by others. It's in a completely different context. So the side of him that he showed there, they wouldn't have any reason not to believe that. You know he was, he was lovely and wonderful within being an NLP coach and you've been on the wonderful receiving end of some of my coaching as well, haven't?
Fran:you despite us being friends. So thank you as well for that. So that's neurolinguistic programming within that, when you want to, when you're ready, personal and privately with me, we there are techniques that I can introduce to you, and one of them you've experienced a little bit of already and it's anchoring, and that is to choose a state, an emotional state that you, of your choosing, that you choose to have in that moment. So, whether that be confidence or you know, because we're talking about confidence today and you can kind of it's, you just ground yourself and you anchor that feeling instead. But I can talk you through that and we can see whether that kind of thing's right for you, because if you're interested in reconnecting more with your faith obviously all of this is permission based, isn't it? So, yeah, if you're interested in connecting more with your faith, it's something that I would love to explore with you.
Tammy:It makes me feel sad that I'm estranged from it, that's for sure, especially as my daughters have taken an interest in being part of the church and I just find it difficult to make those new relationships.
Fran:Yeah, which is? You know? Religion is a wonderful rabbit hole to delve down and we're not going there today. No, but churches obviously all have different. Is it denominations, or yeah, so, yeah. So which particular um church denomination is it that you would choose to be part of?
Tammy:it was. It was church of england, but I'm open to being a little bit more relaxed in that I think it's more important that the people that are within the church are caring people and you feel safe and part of a family and part of a support network.
Fran:Yeah, thank you, tammy, it's all right.
Fran:So that kind of. I feel like that. There's different bits, so that the question that I asked you was actually quite basic now in comparison to to places that we could go with your answer. So it was just to reiterate, it was to you know, can you share more about open, how opening your craft shop helped you find the confidence? So opening your craft shop was actually kind of a series of events, wasn't it really? And then you started to find the confidence. So opening your craft shop was actually kind of a series of events, wasn't it really? And then you started to find the confidence because you had a safe place to be.
Tammy:Yeah, and it was something I was good at and it was something that people appreciated. We used to rent shelves out to crafters. So it was crafters that perhaps didn't know how to sell their products. They could do what they were good at, which was making the items, and then we could share those items with public, with members of the public, and then they could come along and purchase and it quite often they would go on to then do bigger and better things. That was kind of like a springboard onto other things for a lot of crafters. And we had several members of staff who had come from unemployment and I mean I now I know that one of them still works for Hobbycraft. Well, I didn't feel so good about that at the time.
Fran:I love that. Let them go craft wherever they want exactly.
Tammy:So I feel quite proud of the, the role I played in in helping those people, and I have very fond memories of my shop, which I ultimately only was open for about five years because, after I did escape my marriage, to begin with it was woohoo, freedom and I was loving life, and then I was faced with a lot of what I used to call my ding moments, moments where you would realize that actually that behavior that you've accepted as normal was actually so wrong and so toxic. They're becoming less and less now, but a few years ago I was getting so many of those that it was actually so triggering and it just affected my mental health really negatively, and traveling to open up the shop wasn't always something that I was able to do, and so it was best that the shop closed and then I was left with with nothing.
Tammy:That must have been heartbreaking yeah, because a necessary heartbreak probably a necessary heartbreak yeah and I moved house and then, six months later, my shop closed and all the stock moved in with me as well.
Fran:I know so again, just for a bit of context, because obviously Tammy and I know each other, we were for other reasons. We were not in contact for a little while and some of this happened during that little while that we're not in contact. So we're kind of building upon our friendship now and our connection and the different skill sets that we bring, because your life has moved on a lot. Your journey has just evolved in such a powerful way with this you know, finding your confidence and your resilience and everything. My journey has evolved in a you know in a different way. I've gone into training, you know, retraining and stuff like that. I've got my own depression journey.
Tammy:So there are similarities in our journeys but for different reasons we kind of lost touch right about the time I got together with my husband and I really do feel that you had a way, even back then, of asking me questions, questions that I felt uncomfortable answering. And I realize now it was because you were doing your soul searching, which you're so good at doing, and I do think that had you still been on the scene when we started going out, you would have spotted that you wouldn't have liked him and I would have spotted it.
Fran:I'd like to think that now, with, again with because I've retrained with the neurolinguistics and stuff like that a lot of what I do now is very permission based, whereas when I was a little bit younger, even just a years ago, it would have been with very good and pure intentions and curiosity, but not necessarily permission based, and that curiosity would just overtake me and I would just either point things out and people don't want to know, because they've got their own reasons for being defensive, or, you know, untrusting, or I would just go straight in with a relatively blunt question, you know, and be a little bit too blunt about it. So I do feel that things happen when they're meant to.
Tammy:I wouldn't have had it any other way.
Fran:It still wouldn't have been the right time, tammy, it still wouldn't have been, even though.
Tammy:I had my abuse. I had four gorgeous children from it, so I wouldn't have changed what happened to me because, if anything, it made me the person I am now and I'm proud of that yeah, but this is with lessons learned and it's when we are at a safe place.
Fran:So, whether that be physically, you know, emotionally, we're a safe place, or we've got guidance and support around us, we, you know, we can take these lessons indeed, and see the good in it, because it is about taking the good things, isn't it? It's about taking the good things and then what you can move forward with. Yeah, thank you for that. This, no, I love my questions. So this one is into what challenges did you face when starting your community group? You know, how did you over, how did you overcome them? So we've got, you know, you've shared about your craft shop. You've shared about having the confidence. You know, were there any other challenges in starting your community group? So this is what's now led on to discover craft, isn't it?
Tammy:yeah, yeah, I was having a huge dip in my mental health and I sought help through the doctors. They put me in touch with something that was quite new at the time in Northamptonshire of social prescribing, and it's where, basically, they have people at the doctors who don't just prescribe you the pills, they prescribe you other things like walking groups, craft groups and all sorts. They put me in touch with a charity called spring, who are social prescribers in Northamptonshire, and they set me up with a little craft group and all of a sudden I found who I was again and I found that I had a purpose and a reason for being. I was able to share my love of crafting and through that not only was I helping my own mental health but I was helping other people's mental health as well, and that in turn boosted me even further. It was quite empowering and we then were encouraged to go for some funding through North Northamptonshire Council and we opened up five new groups, four of which are still running, and we were going on to bigger and better things.
Tammy:Then we became a constituted community group and our numbers have declined a little bit since then, but we're gradually getting known about and people are just popping up on my messenger. Can you help me? I really need to get out the house, and knowing that you've got a client that's sat in front of you enjoying crafting with you and before they'd found you they hadn't been out the house in seven years 's huge it's. It's a huge ego boost for me, because it's wow, look what I've done.
Fran:And we've now got clients who are not only good friends, but they are also now the treasurer, the secretary, and we're a team and we're going out there and doing something extraordinary together so that actually highlights to me to to say to anybody listening or watching this, because this will go out on youtube as well that you are based in Northamptonshire, so a lot of what you do is in person. You do other things that are not in person, but this, a lot of the discover craft is based in person. However, there are other ways that people can support and like what you do. So with funding, if there are any funding pots available and to I'm going to mention your social media a little bit later. So and to you know, find you on social media and follow and just help you in that way, because that boosts your numbers and your views and things like that, so that you can do more for your local community. So people can still get involved, even if they're not local to where you're putting the discover craft groups on yeah, indeed, we share videos.
Tammy:Um, our social media manager is really on it. She loves it and she started to share videos of her doing the make and it's fantastic that she's doing it from her point of view, because quite often it's a craft that she's never done, she's not done as I would have done, made the samples up and had a go at it. She's doing it with a fresh set of eyes and she's sharing those videos on social media. We're on TikTok, we're on Facebook, we're even on instagram and she knows all this. She's been doing a course on business. Business is. I'm not too sure exactly what she's done, but she's amazing.
Fran:Maybe social media management it could be. Yeah, that's quite, she's got an understanding of it yeah so and she's, she's, she's sharing so much.
Tammy:We've even had our pets been featured. We had our social media manager decide that we were going to say happy birthday to Hannah via the clients. Lots of different things going on, and it's lovely to see her creativity on that side of things as well, I was just thinking lovely creative ideas, which is the whole point of it.
Fran:Yeah, so we've that. So challenges generally would would have presumably been more based around what happens next. You know what do you do, so after going to your doctor, the guidance was there, fortunately, so the rest just happens. The challenges would just be, possibly you're getting your groups up and running and your funding and things like that that you're. It's a steep learning curve. Yeah, that you're getting better and better at.
Tammy:Yeah, and there isn't that much support out there for little groups to keep going. I did go to some forum that was set up by the local voluntary sector and I said why on earth isn't there like a directory of these groups so if people want a craft group to go go to, they can look up and see what craft groups are available for them in their area?
Tammy:and they said, well, the trouble is groups shut so often and we don't know, and it's so frustrating to me because if there was just somebody who had a little bit of energy I haven't got enough energy for this as well if someone with a little bit of energy could just literally just ring those groups and see how they're going, check they're still running, update any new meeting places and just make sure that the directory was up to date, I'm sure that would be a huge boon to people. Yeah, if you fancy a job and you want some guidance, I'm happy to guide you as to what's needed there you go.
Fran:So Tammy can take on local and remote volunteers. So, looking ahead, what are your goals for the future, for both your community group and within your role as a utility warehouse partner?
Tammy:With Discover Craft. It would be amazing if we could kind of have discover craft uk wide. There is a need for another idea I have, which might come to something you never know, would be a craft buddy system so that you could go into people's houses, that people that are suffering with long-term health conditions and are housebound, but you would have someone go in and craft with them for an hour or two and they would take away all the mess, but they would leave them with a sense of accomplishment with and the item which would serve as a happy reminder, which is why we always make sure that our clients in our groups currently they always take something new home every week because it acts as that reminder of something they've accomplished and perhaps of a new friendship they've made, or a reminder to come back next week because look how much I got out of that group.
Fran:Reminds me actually, tammy, to just say anybody terrified by the word craft or that wants to run screaming for the hills, thinking but I can't craft anything, how could I possibly do that? You have themes, don't you? Each time I've seen you do, and you're you actually provide the kit, provide the craft and materials, but you have a theme, so they work on one particular thing each time, don't they? So anybody volunteering or anybody helping or interested in setting up other groups that are to do with discover craft in the future, it's, it's all very planned, yeah, yeah, we try and plan a good six to eight weeks ahead.
Tammy:We would like to do more, but it's a case of I just need another one of me. Really, we just try and make sure that we visit lots of different crafts and even if we revisit a craft, we have a different tweak on it. So we might do well powders through the summer, we'd do flowers, then we might revisit well powders in christmas time and we would do heat embossing on Christmas cards. So we always try and do a different spin on everything we do and we try and follow the seasons as much as possible as well, but also bearing in mind not everybody is going to want to celebrate Easter or Christmas, so we always make sure there is a way for them to explore that that activity yes, you're mindful about other beliefs, and so, with the crafting terminology which shoots straight over my head, that's going to shoot over other people's heads as well.
Fran:So did you say?
Tammy:wow powder. Oh yes, oh yes wow powders what?
Tammy:is wow powder. So very basic terms. You would get a rubber stamp and you would put a clear sticky ink on it and you would press that onto a piece of paper and you would be left with an image that actually you can't see. You would then sprinkle the wow powders over and it would stick to wherever the image has printed onto the paper. You would then tap off the excess powder and you would be able to see the image. You then get a heat tool. It's a bit like a hairdryer, but instead of blowing it heats more than it blows and it heats and melts the powder, so it leaves a raised, embossed, shiny image.
Fran:It's amazing stuff, hence the wow it is I have to be a little bit careful actually, because the way I say wow and the way I say wow that swims in the sea are very similar. We mean wow as in you know, wowzer, yeah. So thank you for that. And again, anybody listening wanting to run and scream for the hills, there would be full training and your videos as well, that go out on on your social media. They show some of the process or the end results so people can actually look at what the craft is that you're creating. You, you know your community members are able to create, so I love that. I'll move you on a little bit just to your role as a utility warehouse provider. So firstly is probably sometimes when we know, we feel like the whole world knows as well. But can you just explain what utility warehouse is for anybody that doesn't know?
Tammy:of course, soon after I broke up from my marriage, when I still had the shop, I was given the opportunity to join a utility warehouse as a partner. I joined because I was told it was a good idea. An old boy, that is the best decision I have ever made. Utility Warehouse are a energy mobile internet insurance provider and the way it works the more services you take, the more savings you get. They've also got a cashback card which gives you 1% cashback on all your shopping. Some partners, some of our shopping partners, such as Sainsbury's you'll get 3%, and other places as well You'll get a higher percent. But that money all then comes off your energy bill or your broadband bill at the end of the month and we are just normal people who get paid to show people how they can save money, which is just the most rewarding thing. Save money, which is just the most rewarding thing.
Tammy:I've been doing it for seven years. The company's been going for over 25 years, listed on the London Stock Exchange. They are a truly British company and the idea behind it is they want to get as many people like you and me as financially secure in the UK as possible and they reward us really well. We get to go on days out. I've been to Epsom races, I've been to Henley Regatta to see Craig David. They have holidays, which I haven't managed to achieve yet, but I'm working hard on that and I just absolutely love it so by managing to achieve.
Fran:Be more specific about that what does that mean?
Tammy:when you sign up a customer if they're a homeowner taking multi-services you can get about 250 pounds up front money. You also, once they've been a customer for a few years, you get something called residual income. So every time they pay their bill you get a little bit of money so you can use it as a pension pot. Even if you don't get out of bed and do any work, you're still going to get paid. But also you get points, and points literally mean prizes. Okay, and you get about four points if you sign up a homeowner multi-services, certain number of points you get to go either on weekend break to center parks or, if you achieve even more points, you can even have a cruise.
Fran:I think they're going to egypt and it's an old cruise, but they've been on safari, they've done disneyland amazing benefits the, the person that signs up as a partner, and the person that gets the the deals on their gets the deals on their mobile phone or their energy bill, or something like that. So, okay, that's interesting. So, for anybody more interested in that, then we're going to tell you where to find tammy. So what's your? So, apart from building up enough points for you know, those those things that you want to do with utility warehouse, what would your, what do you think your future goal is? And I'm leaving this very loose, I'm not putting time based on this or anything, so take from it what you will. When I say goal, that could mean next month, next year, you know to you. So what would your, your goal be? I want to go as far as I can.
Tammy:I want to show my children what could be achieved with a little bit of hard work, but you can have a lot of fun along the way. I want to grow a team of people who also want to achieve goals and I can help them realise their goals. We even have something now called Connectors. If you're a customer and you refer someone to me, you'll get £50 off your bill. For example, if it's a homeowner and they take multi-services, you'll get £ pounds off your bill. For example, if it's a homeowner and they take multi-services, you'll get 50 pounds off your bill as a thank you. If you did that as a partner, that 50 pounds would be 250 pounds. They've now got connectors, so literally anybody who refers me so you could have a charity that are a connector and any referrals they give to me, I get paid half, the connector gets paid half, which could be massive for charities, small businesses sorry about my cat meowing in the background she's one of the kids, though, joining in.
Fran:You can't have something to say as well, indeed, about this right? So, okay, I'm going to put a little, a little curveball in here that you may or may not delve into. Personally for you, tammy, personally for you what would, what would a future goal be for you?
Tammy:I'm on a health journey at the moment. I'm doing Slimming World, I've joined a gym. I want to become healthier and I think in being healthier, then I will be able to be happier as well. I want to inspire more people. I want to show people how you can live your life to your best and how you can go on to help other people as well, because if we all helped each other, just imagine where we could all be.
Fran:I know amazing and it's. It's about living. I believe that it's about living the life that you choose as well. You know you can make these choices and get the best out of your journey.
Tammy:Yeah, I made a huge choice nine years ago. I chose to lose lose my husband and I just thought that was the worst thing in the world. It was the best thing. It was even the best thing for him. He's become a better person through that as well, and we actually cope him quite efficiently now. It's nice. Yeah, it's very difficult, I have to make sure I still keep a distance, but yeah, it's quite empowering being able to do that.
Fran:It's because the intention behind that is the benefit of your children and their connection with their parents. So, yeah, I can imagine that you can find that resilience from within, facilitate those meetings.
Tammy:I want my children to have the confidence to be able to invite both of us to events that are important to them in their lives, and it would be much better if we can just tolerate each other and then the other part of it is your health to be in what you consider to be good health.
Fran:Yeah, personally to, to help you, I'm learning.
Tammy:It doesn't need to be a stone. It doesn't have to have any number attached to it at all. I don't need to be a certain dress size, maybe the numbers I am taking notice of for the blood pressure. But you know, if I can feel happier and healthier, then I'm showing the way for my children as well.
Fran:Yeah, and, like with anything, it's what happiness and healthiness means to you. Possibly, with your blood pressure, it's the results, but you know, generally it's what it what it means to you because these things are being successful as well.
Tammy:Yeah, being successful means. Yeah, being successful means, you know, means different things to different people.
Fran:Yeah yeah, because their, their versions of success are going to be different. Indeed, I love this all right thank you so much, tammy, for sharing your insights and your story, and I know that's quite emotional for you. Tammy, as I know Tammy is a very emotional being didn't cry once, did I?
Tammy:I know you've got your message in my voice sometimes but because you've got a message to share.
Fran:You've got an inspirational message to share and that overrides it, but I know Tammy's a very feely being so, um, definitely thank you, it's really is oh, which you know makes me want to run away, but I'll let you hug me, it's fine.
Fran:So it's been truly inspiring and insightful. So, for those of you interested in learning more about Tammy and what she gets up to, you can visit discover craft creative experiences to nurture the soul. Now that you're on facebook, aren't you? We are, it's a peacock logo and that would be a business page or like a. Like a page. Yeah, discover craft. So you can find tammy on facebook. You're also on Facebook as that UW partner.
Tammy:I love that name saving money I know.
Fran:So it's literally that UW partner saving money on your bills. Yeah, and on Instagram you'll discover craft UK yeah and in TikTok as well. On tiktok and what's the? Is that discover craft uk that's discover craft uk, I believe as well.
Fran:Yes, yeah, okay. So you're on tiktok, so there's other ways of finding you. So because, as I know, at the current time of this recording, not all of us are on facebook. Indeed, I've been suspended and I don't know why, so you won't find me currently on Facebook. I'm hoping to get my profile back, but there's this highlights that you know, maybe the people that we want to reach, or that we want to reach with our message, aren't just in one particular place. So energy, providing that we've got the energy and emotional energy for this to be in other places helps you to reach the audience that you want to, so they can find you on Facebook, instagram and on TikTok.
Tammy:Indeed yeah which is good maybe soon on YouTube when I get my head around that right now.
Fran:Hang on a minute before I wrap this up. Let's just get ready for this one. Youtube is my area of expertise speciality I love YouTube. I've got other YouTube channels, so this podcast will also go out on the Melancholy Coaching YouTube channel. I've got radio drama channels as well that you can find from that and between me and my partner, Evan, who also does YouTube, we love training people to set up their channels.
Tammy:Yeah, I'm kind of doing this La la la, la la, or to revitalise their channels.
Fran:That's a little bit how I am when you talk about brow powders and things like that, because I don't know what it is.
Tammy:You know, but don't know what we don't know. You always have to grow.
Fran:That's another big thing about uw is.
Tammy:They always want us to grow. They're very. We did a rhyme there do you realize, did we?
Fran:we rhymed between us. I said I don't know what you don't know, and you said something about you always have to grow oh, yes, there you go that could be a tagline.
Fran:This just shows how in sync me and tamia, but then, but then again, that's why I feel that your values are aligning, because you also then just mentioned Utility Warehouse and what it means to them, to you know, for that growth, yeah so, and the fact that you're a UW partner, and the fact that you're out in the community helping people to discover craft, literally, I feel that these all, all values that are aligning for you, yeah, which is a beautiful place to be as well, because sometimes we can be in conflict with with either our values or the things that we want to do, and I feel that it's just all beautifully coming together it's a beautiful place.
Tammy:You just have to remember sometimes to sit back and take a snapshot yeah, at that mindful moment indeed.
Fran:So if you're interested in more content like this, be sure to check out the melancholy coaching on youtube, or not? The melancholy coaching on youtube? Just melancholy coaching on YouTube, just Melancholy Coaching on YouTube. And until next time it's because you're that UW partner I'm like how can I like have more of a, the or that to it? But anyway, it's not, it's not. I've inspired you, I know, yeah, to stand more, stand more firm. I think. Until next time, stay curious and keep igniting your creative potential and go find, go find Tammy bye, bye thank you for joining me on the melancholy coaching podcast.
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